Aug 21, 2008, 11:22 PM // 23:22
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Oklahoma City
Guild: Noble Order Of Valiant Angels
Profession: Me/
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An Open Letter to the Guild Wars Community
TO: Guild Wars Community FROM: Jupiter Star Warrior DATE: Thursday, August 21, 2008 SUBJECT: Game Updates Responses and General Discussion
Dear Guild Wars Community:
In the time I have spent on Guild Wars Guru, I have noticed a few disturbing attributes I wish to address to the community on a whole. First, I would like to discuss my opinion and observations regarding the general community's responses to game updates. Then, more specifically, touch up on insulting ArenaNet employees. Next, the community's behavior regarding ideas bounced in certain forums. My idea is not to insult, but to inform and, hopefully, teach those willing to learn certain and proper and general respect to other users.
It has come to my attention that there is something seriously wrong with responses before, during, and after updates to the game Guild Wars. Often, when updates happen, there are certain individuals who complain because a certain skill has become, in these individuals' eyes, useless or tainted. In certain instances, certain skills do become useless. However, other instances just simply requires a bit of rethinking to make the touched skill useful again. People making builds just need to work out the build. Why not recreate the build for yourself? That way, you got something that's uniquely yours, instead of a cookie-cutter build that most everyone uses?
Also, why do certain people blatantly insult the employees of ArenaNet when they are simply trying to make a fun game more fun and well balanced? The ArenaNet employees work hard at what they do. Stating that skill balancing is tough work is a fair assumption, especially when programmers and developers must do so without dramatically altering the game engine and causing the game to crash. Insulting the employees of ArenaNet makes the community look degrading and, forgive my choice of word, stupid.
On an unrelated note, I have also come to realize that on certain forums, there are players who, after reading an idea, say that the idea presented “sucks” without offering any specific reason why. Instead of insulting the topic starter, responses should offer a reason why the proposed topic is not a wise idea to the game. Responses should also offer constructive feedback, and include ways of making the idea a better one, if applicable. Thinking logically, developers may actually implement the idea if the community works together and present a wise, clear idea. Instead of saying “useless idea is useless”, why not state why that idea is useless? People do not have to be intelligent to act intelligent.
Finally, when presenting an idea to the community,k or even responding to an idea, users should try to proofread a post before submitting it, making that post more legible to read. Legible posts give credibility when they are presented in a clear manner, where all can read without getting a headache.
Taking at least one or all of the approaches above will make this community better than what it is. The suggestions are not meant to call anyone out, nor are they supposed to be offensive. On a whole, we as a community should take the time to be better than what we are. The Guild Wars community is a large community, and represents us as a human race. There will be differences of opinion, but insulting someone is no way to react. Growing up, we were taught proper manners, so we should use them and help each other out.
Thank you for your time in reading this letter:
Jupiter Star Warrior
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Aug 21, 2008, 11:30 PM // 23:30
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#2
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Oklahoma City
Guild: Noble Order Of Valiant Angels
Profession: Me/
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sai Rith
I gotz first post!
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That wasn't the point of this letter, you know. -_-
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Aug 21, 2008, 11:34 PM // 23:34
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: In your fridge, stealing your pickles. for mah subway
Profession: R/
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tl;dr
in b4 close.
What's with people and their "open letters" eh?
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Aug 21, 2008, 11:34 PM // 23:34
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#4
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: In Livia's Cleavage (.)ME(.)
Guild: The Early Monk Heals The Worm [EMHW]
Profession: Mo/
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JupiterStarWarrior
TO: Guild Wars Community FROM: Jupiter Star Warrior DATE: Thursday, August 21, 2008 SUBJECT: Game Updates Responses and General Discussion
Dear Guild Wars Community:
In the time I have spent on Guild Wars Guru, I have noticed a few disturbing attributes I wish to address to the community on a whole. First, I would like to discuss my opinion and observations regarding the general community's responses to game updates. Then, more specifically, touch up on insulting ArenaNet employees. Next, the community's behavior regarding ideas bounced in certain forums. My idea is not to insult, but to inform and, hopefully, teach those willing to learn certain and proper and general respect to other users.
It has come to my attention that there is something seriously wrong with responses before, during, and after updates to the game Guild Wars. Often, when updates happen, there are certain individuals who complain because a certain skill has become, in these individuals' eyes, useless or tainted. In certain instances, certain skills do become useless. However, other instances just simply requires a bit of rethinking to make the touched skill useful again. People making builds just need to work out the build. Why not recreate the build for yourself? That way, you got something that's uniquely yours, instead of a cookie-cutter build that most everyone uses?
Also, why do certain people blatantly insult the employees of ArenaNet when they are simply trying to make a fun game more fun and well balanced? The ArenaNet employees work hard at what they do. Stating that skill balancing is tough work is a fair assumption, especially when programmers and developers must do so without dramatically altering the game engine and causing the game to crash. Insulting the employees of ArenaNet makes the community look degrading and, forgive my choice of word, stupid.
On an unrelated note, I have also come to realize that on certain forums, there are players who, after reading an idea, say that the idea presented “sucks” without offering any specific reason why. Instead of insulting the topic starter, responses should offer a reason why the proposed topic is not a wise idea to the game. Responses should also offer constructive feedback, and include ways of making the idea a better one, if applicable. Thinking logically, developers may actually implement the idea if the community works together and present a wise, clear idea. Instead of saying “useless idea is useless”, why not state why that idea is useless? People do not have to be intelligent to act intelligent.
Finally, when presenting an idea to the community,k or even responding to an idea, users should try to proofread a post before submitting it, making that post more legible to read. Legible posts give credibility when they are presented in a clear manner, where all can read without getting a headache.
Taking at least one or all of the approaches above will make this community better than what it is. The suggestions are not meant to call anyone out, nor are they supposed to be offensive. On a whole, we as a community should take the time to be better than what we are. The Guild Wars community is a large community, and represents us as a human race. There will be differences of opinion, but insulting someone is no way to react. Growing up, we were taught proper manners, so we should use them and help each other out.
Thank you for your time in reading this letter:
Jupiter Star Warrior
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Keep your day job, changing this community is near impossible. All the good people have left long ago.
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Aug 21, 2008, 11:35 PM // 23:35
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#5
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Grotto Attendant
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Canada
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JupiterStarWarrior
That wasn't the point of this letter, you know. -_-
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It is on this forum
Anyways, yes, for the most part, I agree with your letter - detailed responses are nice.
In some cases however ideas are simply too stupid to deserve anything other than, "This is retarded" and perhaps a brief explanation why. Like that guy who wanted items to break over time, and the guy who wanted to add achievements to the game, and the guy who wanted more titles added.
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Aug 21, 2008, 11:35 PM // 23:35
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#6
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Banned
Join Date: Jan 2008
Guild: Team Apathy [aFk]
Profession: W/P
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tl;dr
Based off the title, good luck.
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Aug 21, 2008, 11:37 PM // 23:37
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#7
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Oct 2005
Guild: Inde is Smoking [Hawt] *ToA*
Profession: W/E
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errr tl;dr
anyone tell me what that huge wall of text means :F
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Aug 21, 2008, 11:38 PM // 23:38
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#8
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Sep 2007
Profession: N/
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tl;dr summary plz
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Aug 21, 2008, 11:39 PM // 23:39
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#9
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: In your fridge, stealing your pickles. for mah subway
Profession: R/
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Away with you! I said it first!
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Aug 21, 2008, 11:39 PM // 23:39
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#10
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Sitting in the guildhall, watching the wallows frolic.
Guild: Trinity of the ascended [SMS]+[Koss]+[TAM]=[ToA]
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sujoy
Keep your day job, changing this community is near impossible. All the people that really gave a dam have left long ago.
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Sad, but sometimes the truth hurts.
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Aug 21, 2008, 11:40 PM // 23:40
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#11
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Bad Romance
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Grand Matron
Profession: Mo/
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Open letter seems to be the catchphrase of the season. >.>
Anyway, the community is as it is. If you don't like it, make your own forum where can you rigorously moderate the comments so only constructive ones can go through.
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Aug 21, 2008, 11:45 PM // 23:45
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#12
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Grotto Attendant
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Canada
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I'd write an open letter to the Guru community talking about how much entertainment the place gives me, but I'm afraid it might be locked.
The place does entertain me, though, there's no doubt about that. More so than the game we discuss, even.
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Aug 21, 2008, 11:47 PM // 23:47
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#13
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Alcoholic From Yale
Join Date: Jul 2007
Guild: Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]
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Avarre and Sha have much better writing.
There's a reason we get frustrated with devs and people's idiot ideas.
For those of you who want a summary: JSW doesn't like the flaming that goes on in this forum, thinks it's bad we flame Izzy, Regina, and Gaile, and wants us to approve more mindless suggestions in Sardelac.
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Aug 21, 2008, 11:48 PM // 23:48
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#14
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Oct 2007
Guild: Oz
Profession: E/
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An open letter to people who keep making these. Don't.
If you feel the need to make a thread that begins with this phrase, turn off the computer and go outside. Your grounded from Guild Wars for two weeks.
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Aug 21, 2008, 11:50 PM // 23:50
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#15
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Apr 2005
Guild: aFk
Profession: Me/Rt
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None of you are Avarre please stop.
I read your post anyways and frankly who cares?
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Aug 21, 2008, 11:51 PM // 23:51
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#16
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: You should know
Profession: W/
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wut
/youhavetoomuchtimeonyourhandsandshouldjuststfuandp laythegame
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Aug 21, 2008, 11:56 PM // 23:56
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#17
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I phail
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Phailville
Profession: D/
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ALF71BE
tl;dr
in b4 close.
What's with people and their "open letters" eh?
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The original open letter got attention so everyone thinks "o hay, people will give meh attention if i putz open letter in teh title!". When I see posts titled "An Open Letter" I don't read them and instead choose to make fun of the poster for being stupid.
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Aug 22, 2008, 12:07 AM // 00:07
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#18
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Mehtani Keys
Guild: The Extraordinary Revolution [ReVo]
Profession: P/W
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Undisclosed
The original open letter got attention so everyone thinks "o hay, people will give meh attention if i putz open letter in teh title!". When I see posts titled "An Open Letter" I don't read them and instead choose to make fun of the poster for being stupid.
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I thought I was evil but you beat me to it.
/moarlulz
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Aug 22, 2008, 12:10 AM // 00:10
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Wilds Pathfinder
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Oh please responders, continue to prove why you don't deserve to pass your genes on to the next generation.
I'm with you Jupiter, though it does feel like a losing battle trying to herd cats and kindergarteners.
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Aug 22, 2008, 12:10 AM // 00:10
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#20
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I like yumy food!
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Where I can eat yumy food
Guild: Dead Alley [dR]
Profession: Mo/R
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ALF71BE
What's with people and their "open letters" eh?
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They wanted to be cool like Avarre.
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